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Terrak (585)    Nov 06, 2009 - 06:44 pm

You sure your arguing with me because you didnt make a valid point against any of my arguements. Your second paragraph is a Mute point, no one here is arguing that the Wii has good third party support in fact its agreed its practically rubbish so bringing it up is useless Motion control a gimmick? Are you thick? Both sony and microsoft are going to release there own versions if it were a gimmick i dont think those companies would consider pouring millions of dollars into developing there own if they didnt see it as a viable platform. Its pretty much soon going to be a standard along side standard console controllers so get used to it. You think im wrong? well what do you base that on? Again you seem to state your opinion without looking at any facts to back you up Was i incorrect when it was Microsoft stated recently that the 360 had not reached half way in its life? SOunds like a long term confirmation Was i wrong when i Microsoft stated that they will treat Natal as a new launch? Was i wrong that the 360 has only recently been profitable (which means for under 3 years its been losing money for MS)? If you consider these facts at hand how can you then turn around and tell me that they will come out with a new xbox in 2 years? You mean in the next 2 years they will not only make up for the losses incurred for the first few years of the 360s life plus earn enough to pay for the development and marketing of the next 360? I dont think so. Consider the fact that they have pretty much exhausted all there avenues in terms of price drops and now on a weekly basis are in third place (after ps3 price drop) They havent even come close to paying of the billions of dollars in debt that the original xbox racked up Sure they could throw more money at a new xbox project but thats 3 times in a row its come out of MS pockets, not exactly great business sense. On the other had Nintendo have always released a new console every 5-6 years and have made pure profit and are the number 1 console. With HD TV being more mainstream its a given it will have HD capabilities so i expect a new Wii in 2-3 years as it MAKES SENSE I wont even talk about sony they have a long way to go to Address the 4billion + debt on ps3 so in terms of whos in the best situation Nintendo is and into the next generation? Well its not hard to fathom that the NEXT Wii can feed off the success of its predecessor now can it? If Nintendo does release a new Wii who will challenge it with all tho points i made? The Wiimote was a market success which is what Nintendo wanted, it put them in first place and as such made third parties notice that they are still a force to be reckoned with even against the likes of sony and microsoft, being first place puts them in a good position into the next generation. » Login to reply to this

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Terrak (585)    Nov 04, 2009 - 04:55 pm

Yoshi Wins? So what are you going to give him? stop changing the rules as with all previous generations Most Hardware sold = Winner of the Generation. I hate when people decide the change the rules to benefit the console of there choosing. Anyway all the best ThirdParty titles went to the 360 and the ps3 and the Wii got waggle tack on garbage. So how can it be a fair comparison? Great titles well promoted sell well. Simple as that. DOesnt matter the platform. Motion control is still in its infancy, it has a long way to go but it had to start somewhere. Your facts also prove the point that the Wii sells the most software period. There is potential for sales there, however the third party support (currently) is not. If the Wii had HD graphics from the get go it would have been this gens ps2, but as we know its not the case I think all those 360 and ps3 fans can simply look forward to next gen to see if there company of choice wins because this gen is pretty much over. My prediction is within 2 years the Next gen begins, Nintendo definately has incentive to move on, the Wii sales are slowing down drastically (but not significantly below that of either HD consoles) and its been that way for them every Gen to replace there consoles every 5 or 6 years. If you read my previous post, you will realise that the real Winner is Nintendo, they have come from last place in previous gens to completely leave both competing consoles in there wake, and positioned themselves well into the next generation. Now that Nintendo has put themselves in first place Thirdparties are more then likely to offer there support next time around. BTW your statistics also dont show that the Wiis software sales are that bad, average if 2 million sold each on a platform that is much cheaper to develop on? thats not bad all things considered. » Login to reply to this  SteelDog (144)    Nov 04, 2009 - 11:44 pm | Edited on Nov 04, 2009 - 11:46 pm Again your post doesn't make much sense. You keep harping on Nintendo being a winner. However, if you look at sales, MS is hardly disappointed. In fact, 3rd party developers will tell you that from their perspective the 360 is a much bigger success for them. MS XBOX Live Market place has been a cash cow for MS as well. Also what is this "potential" you are talking about? If your speaking in terms of 3rd party titles, there practically is none on the Wii. Again, look at 3rd party title numbers. It's clearly more profitable for 3rd party developers to produce on one of the other consoles. I think what your seeing is that the lack of quality of software available for the Wii is now impacting sales. Sooner or later you have to have the software to support your console or it will catch up to you. Again, the only people that care about who sells the most is fanboys and market executives. You either make a profit or you don't. P.S. Just because Wii does well doesn't mean it is "setup" for the next generation. If anything Nintendo and Sony both have proved first hand that one generation has no influence on the next generation. You can go from first to worst in a single generation. » Login to reply to this  Terrak (585)    Nov 05, 2009 - 02:59 pm As for determining who is the Winner, its quite simple to determine that factoring out fanboyism and bias. Units sold Think of each unit sold as a vote, the more units the more votes. Wii sold more equals more votes equals winner simple Even Software units sold Wii sold the most If you believe that by having the best thirdparty support makes the 360 the best then by all means you can believe that but that is hardly grounds for the definition of the Winner. If you look at Units sold Wii is the Winner If you look at software sold Wii is the Winner If you look at if from a business standpoint Wii is the Winner If you look at it from third party support Wii is the LOSER From these facts its easy to conclude that the Wii is the Winner this gen, sure it loses in One aspect but the others its definately #1 If your happy with your console this fact shouldnt matter, how ever these are the cold hard facts. You cant manipulate the facts to make your console of choice the 'Winner'. » Login to reply to this  Terrak (585)    Nov 05, 2009 - 02:36 am I think your being short sighted about the situation. Its not simply about the situation now it also to do with the future of Nintendo and there products. When have i said that Wii has had strong third party support? In fact ive complained how WEAK it is so explaining something i already know and admit to is ridiculous. Maybe reread my comments if you wish to argue. Again if you realised the strategy Nintendo was using with the Wii its genius, its not fan boy talk its a fact. Turning last place position into a comfortable first place this gen is quite a turn around. I have posted many time explaining why Nintendo has been treated poorly by thirdparties, namely no HD and the how 'poorly' the GC did (you know last place) as well as focusing on Motion Control which at the time has not proven itself as mass marketable. If you look at these fundamental reasons (and a few more) its easy to see why the Wii has such Weak support from Thirdparties. You talk about how 360 sells alot of thirdparty titles and when did i disagree with that fact? Its easy to sell lots of software when developers put all there effort into making quality software. This happens regardless of platform. Great games that are well marketed sell well, why are we assuming that only the 360 can sell millions of copies. Thats rubbish, the only thing that stopped the Wii getting those exclusive titles was HD, and this is my point of the Wiis potential. Because it was such a success the next Wii can feed off that success, coupled with HD graphics the next Wii which should arrive in the next 2 or so years with improved Wiimote controls will reach its full potential. The Wii was a test to see if the Market would accept Motion controls. Its obvious it has, and now even sony and MS are including it also, to me that looks like universal support for Motion control. As for your last statement that is true to a degree however it all depends on the situation too, and cant be blindly applied to every situation, the ps3 could have fed of the success of the ps2 except that the Wiis focus on family friendly motion control based system took the lime light and the rest is history, unless sony has an ace up its sleeves next gen which i have discussed is highly unlikely considering its talking 10 year life cycles and racked up over 4 billion in debt. There is no doubt that the 360 is finally profitable however it has a long way to go if it is to recoup the losses of its own R&D and marketing let alone making enough money to pay for the next xbox. There has been no denying that the 360 is profitable for developers, otherwise they wont bother to develop for it but i ask if they had developed those games for the Wii im sure it is possible that they could profit too. The ps2 showed it was possible to be Casual friendly and also have the AAA titles, so if the Wii had HD graphics its not hard to assume that the Wii could do the same. Hence the potential of the NEXT Wii. » Login to reply to this

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inspectrex (299)    Nov 03, 2009 - 12:54 pm

So is the answer just developing Wavebird 2.0 for the Wii? Is turnabout fair play? Wii HD with a PS3/360 style wireless controller option, while the 360 develops Natal and Sony develops motion controllers. Sounds like both sides need to realize what the other did right and we'll all meet in the middle next gen. » Login to reply to this  Yoshi (2226)   Nov 03, 2009 - 02:45 pm As I said earlier Microsoft and Sony where quick to show these devices but since then have grown pretty silent about them. It could be because the cost just does not make them good to invest in. What I mean by this is The Wii is $199. If Natal comes out for the Xbox and costs $159 and has only a couple of supported games compaired to the Wii then the point of the device is moot. I think the devices price for the Xbox 360 and PS3 makes a motion controler pointless. Also I feel it will be how well the Wii does in the future as to if we see the motion being worked into the next generation. » Login to reply to this  SteelDog (144)     Nov 03, 2009 - 03:30 pm Sort of disagree with you there. I think Sony and MS will extend out this generation of console for some time. One way to do that is release Natal which if enough support is thrown it's way could extend the life cycle of the 360. Same for the PS3 "wand". If they release these then come out with a new console a year later then I agree it's pointless. However, I don't think that is the case. They will use these to extend the life cycle of the machines by 2 years or more which means it makes perfect sense to me. P.S. Things have not been that silent. MS has had ads for entire development teams on Natal and with Rare's Kameo game being canceled to concentrate on Natal...it sounds like full steam ahead to me. » Login to reply to this

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